8月,整个世界人们的注意力正在被伦敦奥运场馆的魅力吸引着。
每次奥运会都是人类建筑史的一次进步与跨越,进步的是新材料与新技术的应用,跨越的则是建筑背后独特的设计理念。奥运建筑凝聚了人们对进步的向往,吸纳了主办国的文化精髓,创造建筑精品的同时,拓展了人们的思维边界,留下了体育精神之外的另一种美。
四年过去了,我们时常依然会想起08年北京奥运会,“水立方”,“鸟巢”。而这个热爱中国的意大利男人Enrico Taranta,便是北京奥运工程水立方的设计者之一。
从意大利罗马建筑学院毕业后,Enrico就在著名的Fuksas参与了欧洲国会中心“The cloud”的全程设计。他曾与众多来自哥本哈根,纽约,迈阿密,尼日利亚,上海等世界各地的国际知名建筑师、室内设计师一起合作了许多成功的项目。他的作品“风能咖啡屋”“气泡门”也已经是已经是永久性景观。
他渴望沟通,喜欢分享,现在是上海华东大学建筑系的RDI永久讲师。实力、磨练、平衡,便是他对设计的理解与诠释。
【ABBS】:What bring you to the China? Or say, what is the first thought that attract you to China?
您是怎样的机缘巧合来到中国的?或者说,您到中国的源动力是么?
【Enrico Taranta】:I arrived in china in 2005, I always being fascinating about the East and the Asian culture in general, at that time I heard that China were about the host the 2008 Olympic games and 2010 world expo so I decided that I wanted to be involved on that.
我是2005年来中国的。我本人一直都很迷恋东方和亚洲的文化。所以很想了解这个国家,想来了解中国的文化,了解这些新的事物,以此增加我的经验。时逢中国将要举办2008年奥运会和2010年的世博会,于是我决定参与进来。
【ABBS】:There is interesting point in China for separating Architecture design and interior design, and your specialties include architecture, interior, art and urban planning. It could be a iconic symbol for crossover. However, among those specialties, which one you are better at? And which one you prefer?
在中国有个特点,建筑设计跟室内设计是分开来的,而您本人专业的领域包括建筑、室内、艺术和城市规划。可算跨界设计的典范了,您觉得从个人来说更擅长哪一块?您更喜欢哪个身份?
【Enrico Taranta】:At this moment of my professional career I like to be focus more on small architecture building and interior design, for the simple reason that in China the big scale project have too many limit and restrictions and it is very difficult to control the final construction quality.
On the contrary in Interior design there are less limit and the final result can be astonishing most of the time.
See Foshan ceramic museum zhangjiagang headquarter, Rockefeller villa club, Shushan hotel, Ramada hotel
在我的职业规划当中,我愿意把更多的注意力放在小型建筑和室内设计上,原因很简单,大型设计和规划方面,中国的规范有太多的限制,很难把握和控制最终的施工效果和质量。
而室内设计在国内情况相对来说就好太多了,限制少了,就有更大的发挥空间,最后出来的效果令人惊喜。单纯从设计来说其实是没有局限性的,创意是无限的。我的作品佛山陶瓷博物馆张家港总部、洛克菲勒别墅俱乐部、舒珊成酒店和华美达酒店。都可以清楚的看出这点。
Enrico Taranta作品
问:Have you ever applied the architecture design philosophy upon other area? And how specifically?
您把自己的建筑概念导入其他设计了吗?具体是怎样做的?
【Enrico Taranta】:Everything in life for me is related to architecture philosophy: the art of balance functions (needs) with beauty, the way of dressing, cooking, travelling is for me like an architecture project
我生活中的每件事都与我建筑理念有关:那就是平衡艺术功能(需求)和美感。你看我的穿着习惯,烹饪饮食,旅行方式,对我来说,都是一个项目设计。而我设计的灵感也来源于这些东西。简单说来,我的设计灵感来源于我每天的生活和我的所见所闻。
问:For your standing point, do design for the business & commercial positive to improve the integrity of design or damage it? Do they always put restrain on your design? Can you convince your clients every time?
在您看来,商业化设计是推动了设计本身,还是限制了设计?商业项目会对你的设计有限制吗?每次都能说服客户吗?
【Enrico Taranta】:Restriction on design always happen when there is a bad communication between clients and me or when client are not clear on what they really want, that’s why before starting a project is always very important to communicate a lot with clients and write very clear agreement, I do understand that the client is like the mother of the project and myself is the father so better start with a great marriage first.
如果我和客户之间缺乏沟通或者沟通不到位,客户也许不知道他真正要的是什么,在这种不清楚客户的需求的情况下,设计的限制和约束就产生了。所以这就是为什么,在开始一个项目前要一定要和客户多交流,写一份清楚的协议。这是件很重要的事。打个比方:这就好像是在跟客户以婚姻为基础谈恋爱一样,我们双方的需求和感觉完全到位和契合,这个婚姻才有一个最好的开始。
问:For some offers and requirements of design from the clients seem unreasonable and inappropriate, how do you deal with them?
在对待客户意见和要求上,您认为不合理的地方是怎么处理的?
【Enrico Taranta】:Well in this case the situation must be analyzed from a financial point of view and the damage that can create to the design company cash flow, if the design request is really unreasonable I rather step back than continue but still respecting the contract where it is mention that.
客户肯定想花最少的钱获得最多的功能,而我们要让客户明白:费用,设计,精力都是有限,不可能满足无限的要求。一个优秀的设计师必定是专业的、客观的,所以如果这个设计要求真的是不合理,超出了专业能够实现的范围,又不符合合同规定和工作规范要求,我肯定会坚持自己的看法,而不是退步。这个要根据具体情况分析和衡量对于双方的利弊。当然也不是完全拒绝,我们只需要沟通的技巧和方法,在尊重合同细节条款的情况下,既使对方接受你的意见,又能达到一个大家都满意的效果。
问:Within a project, have you encountered that clients have weird and absurd requirement? As a foreigner designer, have you been asked to do the old school Chinese style? How you deal with them?
在项目中是否遇到过客户有什么离奇的要求?作为一个外国设计师,您是否遇到过实现中式风格的要求,您又是怎样运用和处理客户所要求的中国或者说东方元素?
【Enrico Taranta】:Actually absurd requirement I never experienced, maybe is because I have a full understanding of Chinese culture and traditions as in my 7 years in China I have really tried my best to blend myself into the local culture, meeting local friends and travelling all over, study Confucius and fengshui, going at KTV or drinking Chinese tea, My Chinese friends think I am more Chinese inside then them.
事实上我还没有遇到过这样的要求,这可能跟我在中国生活的7年,充分的了解了中国的文化和传统有关。我尽力融入这里的文化,交了很多中国的朋友,和他们交流学习。我也几乎跑遍了中国所有的城市,学习孔子,风水这样中国独有的文化。平时也和大家去唱KTV,喝中国茶,我的中国朋友都认为我比他们更像中国人。
问:Is there any difference for design industry at the moment between China and West? What is your opinion in terms of the foreseeable future of Chinese design industry? What is the core-strength for yours to keep going as your career of design? Design for me is my passion in life and feel that my life and ideas have a meaning to improve other’s people life.
现在中西方的建筑行业有什么不同吗?对中国建筑行业可预见的未来你有什么意见呢?是什么核心力量让你一直坚持你的设计事业呢?
【Enrico Taranta】:I feel blessed and honored every day to have the chance to do this great job, of course sometimes I feel very tired, but it is part of life.
I think design happening in China it is totally different from doing design in Italy or America where there are other needs and market, but I would say it makes more sense for a designer work in China at the moment as the development speed is much faster and you can totally see the improvement of a society into a better lifestyle.
设计就是我的一切,是我生活动力和思想激情。我所设计的东西可以融入整个社会,让人们所接受,甚至改变的他们的一些生活理念和生活方式,这是让人感到高兴的事情,我会为此感到开心。我也觉得自己是幸运的,能有机会做自己喜欢的又充满意义的事。对此,我怀着深深的感恩之心。当然,有时候也会觉得累,但不要紧,这就是生活。
而说到行业的发展前景,中国与意大利,和美国,自然是完全不同的。这有地域差异,不同的大环境下,需求和市场是不同的。但是我要说,现阶段下,作为一个在中国发展的设计师,是可以预见中国市场的前景的,你完全可以清晰的看见整个国家的发展速度是怎样的迅速和日新月异。
问:We have four elements for public space projects: government, arties, developer and public. How do you deal with them and use professional guide to achieve a workable design for Chinese market in terms of sustainability?
我们在公共空间建设中会有四个方面,一方面是政府,一方面是艺术家,一方面是开发商,一方面是公众,我们怎么对待这四方的交流?如何用专业引导从而共同实现适合中国市场的可持续设计?
【Enrico Taranta】:I think sustainability is a very important issue of nowadays design, government is trying hard to promote that creating sustainable offices or railway station. But I do believe that the real problem is in the private projects like residential homes. People should achieve a sustainable life starting from in their daily life habits get more knowledge about that through information campaign. I understand that it is quite hard to educate 1.3 billion of people in china about sustainability but it is something that should aspect more from the government.
可持续性是是现今设计中的一个非常重要的问题,现在政府出台了各种政策法规,通过很多手段努力的在推动这件事。但我认为最大的问题在于住宅设计这样的私人项目,我们通过宣传让人们从他们的日常生活习惯中获得相关的知识,明白“可持续发展”这件事的重要性,从而从根源上真正的实现可持续性的生活。要所有13亿的中国人都完全理解和实施这个事情确实很难,所以政府的导向作用非常重要。
问:What is your opinion of the current situation for Chinese design Industry? Under lack of professional commenting and criticizing mechanism, do developed companies have those kinds of organization or mechanism? What could they help us (Chinese design industry)?
你怎么看中国设计界的现状?在缺乏专业的评价机制和建筑批评前提下,发达国家中没有这样的成熟的评论机制?对我们有什么借鉴作用?
【Enrico Taranta】:I believe in the next 10 years China will be able to create its own design style that will define traditional Chinese element from the history into our modern day life with much more elegance and sophistications, just like Japan did 30 years ago.
中国的设计行业正在朝正确的方向前进。许多的设计师都在不断前行,技能上的,思维上的,对工程的质量和要求方面也开始更精益求精。我相信在未来10年里,中国肯定会有和现在完全不同,完全自我的设计风格,人们将会把中国传统中更优雅更老练的历史部分带入到现代生活设计中来,就如同30年前的日本一样。
问:You are quite dynamic to be part of academic organizations and event like uni-lecturer in/out China. Therefore, is there any difference between them?
您一直活跃在国内外各种学术组织和活动中,那么您觉得国内外的活动有什么区别,您对中国业内的学术活动有什么建议或者期许?
【Enrico Taranta】:Well, like in any other countries in the world there a commercial events and cultural events both have different value and meaning, I personally like to attend as much as possible events when I have time because I like to sharing ideas and knowledge and for sure meeting many people.
就像世界上其他国家一样,商务活动和文化活动都有不同的价值和意义,有时间时我个人喜欢尽可能多的参加这些活动,因为我希望遇到更多志趣相投的人们,从而与更多人分享我们的创意和设计上的东西。
问:What are the suggestions which help to improve the communications between Chinese and foreigner design?
中国设计应该如何与世界沟通?您有什么好的建议吗?您希望跟中国的同行交流什么东西?
【Enrico Taranta】:Communication it is the key point in everything in life, business, love, friendship, I think Chinese designer should try to feel more confident and less shy to open communication or exchange with foreigners in terms of ideas and visions and foreigners designers (at least the one living and working in china) they should make more efforts to learn basic Chinese language and study Chinese culture.
交流是生活中一切事情的关键,就象做生意、谈恋爱、交朋友。我觉得中国设计师在与外国设计师交流或交换意见的时候,在思维碰撞的时候,叙述自己想法的时候,都应该充满自信,千万不要害羞。而外国设计师(至少是在中国居住和上班的)应该更努力的学习中国语言和中国文化。
问:In accordance with the fact that the reduction of gap between Chinese and foreigner design, we need to value our competitive advantage and disadvantage, what’s your opinion of that? What role China will play upon the stage of international theatre of design?
在国内外设计水平差距逐渐缩小的情况下,我们需要思考自己的竞争优势和差距,您对此有何看法?您认为在未来的发展道路中,中国将在国际舞台上扮演怎样的角色?
【Enrico Taranta】:Considering that the world is globalized now the there is a globalized economy the chance for Chinese designer to jump into the international field will happen more and more, the Chinese designer should take strong the keypoint of their advantage: they are hard working people they can bring balance in space and design they can introduce Chinese style from a standing out and exotic point of view and most of all they can merge and collaborate with designers from other countries join the forces to created a new globalized design.
世界的全球化、经济的全球化,会让中国设计师将会有越来越多的机会出现在国际舞台上。中国设计师应该充分的利用他们的优势:他们辛勤工作,他们可以在空间和设计上实现平衡,他们可以从突出的异国观点中引出中国风格,最重要的是他们可以和从其他国家加入的设计师合并协作创造一个新的全球化设计。
问:All over the city at global, there is trend increasingly that the development is made via city/district/suburb planning. Do you have any opinion and recommendation about that? (pictures and documents may needed)
在遍布世界各地的城市中,从城市和区域规划层面促进产业的发展已经成为非常时髦的现象。您有些什么好的观点和建议吗?
【Enrico Taranta】:I think the city planning or suburb is just the hardware of the development what makes the software in the information and the people thinking and lifestyle, that sometimes take very long to develop and can only be developed by cultural exchange and different experiences in people’s life.
我认为城市规划和郊区规划只是硬件的发展,并且促使信息中软件的发展和人们的思考和生活方式,有时花费很长的时间仅仅使人们生活中的文化交流和不同的经验有所增长。
问:As the current situation of China, there are way too many junk buildings, as an honored designer with attitude, what you will do to make architecture and urban planning to develop under a healthy status?
就中国的现状来讲,有了太多垃圾建筑,作为有社会责任感的设计师,会用什么手段方式让建筑和规划在一个良性的状态下发展?
【Enrico Taranta】:Well if those building are quite new build no more than 20 years I would prefer demolished that and rebuild it more sustainable and more suitable for a good use probably would be even cheaper than just renovate it and still keep the disadvantage.
如果这些不合适的所谓的垃圾建筑都没有合理使用,并且没超过20年,那么宁愿拆除,重新开发修建更持久,更合适的,能够真正屋尽其用的建筑,这样的成本可能比改造一个不合适的建筑还要便宜更多。
问:Architecture is not only for the magnitude of imagination but also application, how to balance?
建筑需要提供生活的多种可能性,我们如何把握想象力和建筑的方向?
【Enrico Taranta】:Yes exactly architecture is not only about beauty or shape but is how to get the right intuition to choose the suitable shape or feeling for the usage of certain people with specific needs, you become a good designer only when you are aware of that and getting more knowledge about culture economy art can all help you to find the right choice
一个好的建筑不仅仅他的美感和形状,还要考切身考虑到使用者的感受,功能与美感相辅相成,从而达到设计的目的。要成为一个好的设计师,只有当你意识到它并且获得更多关于经济文化艺术知识时,所有的一切才能帮你做出正确的选择。
问:In your opinion, what kind of role of design will play in the future? How they serve people? Future of trend for architecture design?
您认为未来设计将扮演什么角色?设计应该为人们解决什么问题?您怎么看建筑设计未来的趋势?
【Enrico Taranta】:In the future I hope that more people will be able to understand the importance of the design in life and that design will be easy accessible to everybody, so not only super rich people will be able to enjoy a good design but all of the population in a certain way.
我希望未来有更多的人能了解生活中设计的重要性,并且让设计很容易的融入每个人里,不仅仅是超级富有的人能享受好的设计,而是所有的人都能享受到。
问:World started to look similar, everywhere. What do your works do in it?
世界正在变得越来越相似,你的作品将起到什么作用?
【Enrico Taranta】:My works try to be still a little similar to the others in the world but with a bit more energy passion and personality just to reflect who I am. I realize that big changes start from little steps. And a big step will create chaos rather then support the change,
我的作品试图和世界其他地方仍然有点相似,但多了一些能量激情和能反映我是谁的个性化设计。我意识到大的变化是开始于小的步骤的。并且大的步骤不是支持改变而是制造混乱。我也希望可以尽到我的一份绵薄之力。
问:What project you are busy with next?
请问您正在着手的下一个设计是?
【Enrico Taranta】:I am working at the new shanghai tower in construction at the moment in lujiazui for the tallest observatory in Asia (121 and 122 floors) and head quarter for fashion industry and yachting, beside that hotel and resorts in Suzhou and a new material with 3d shape totally sustainable to apply on the wall
我目前正在新上海中心大厦陆家嘴建设亚洲最高的天文台(121和122层),还有总部要求的时尚行业和游艇,此外还有苏州的酒店和度假村,一种新的3d形状的材料完全可以运用在墙上。
新上海中心大厦
设计的概念来源于河流。通常河流都位于地面,在城市中流经的河流都处在水平线高度。在建筑设计中,河流总是以其本来形态出现,起到提升环境品质的作用。但我们希望能用一种创造性的、与众不同的方式来演绎河流这个概念。我们在建筑设计中融入了河流,并将它的走向设计成摆脱引力的方式,由地面行径至顶层。这个概念衍生使我们在上海中心大厦项目中采用了垂直河流的元素。
设计中融入了象征大厦的基本三角形状。比如119层的灯光布置是根据这个形状进行安排,以及B1层进入大厅天花板上的“穹顶天窗”设计。
夜晚的119层
为了能够增强参观者在上海中心大厦观光层的体验以及更好展示上海的历史和未来,设计中采用了众多互动科技。参观者可以在118层体验未来的上海。通过最新的高科技装置和多点触摸屏,结合水幕投影的装置将使你可和整个城市的天际线进行互动。119层的上海故事观光厅利用互动技术展现上海之过去、现在和将来,以及这座城市的活力和创新。除了能欣赏上海全景,在118和119层上设计了公园,供参观者在参观途中休息。这些绿色区域使大楼更生态环保,也增加了更多自然感觉。这也会成为人们的社交场所。
问:Please share your opinion about “ideal city” & the life in it
请你描述一下你理想中的城市和城市生活。
【Enrico Taranta】:My ideal city is a place where people coexist and exchange knowledge to improve our already complicated life existence and where everyone could be able to be the personal designer for their life.
我的理想城市,是人们能在里面共存并且交流,从而得到改善我们已经存在的复杂生活的各种方法,在那里,每个人都能成自己生活的个人设计师。
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